And your argument doesn’t apply to the other examples. Sorry but a few countries write in neither month-day-year nor day-month-year. Also: doesn’t your American domain hosting operation email you when it’s getting time to renew? BTW, for those who use the time analogy, you hav it backwards. To me, it sounds like you’re saying that this September is one of the 11ths or the 11th instance of a September (or 9 generations after September, Jr.). Hi John – I’ve lived in London for nearly 10 years and would concur with your conclusions (except for the reference to the “Colonies” :)), most of which I noted myself in my own comment. So there you have it: one document, one country, two different date notations. Now when you browse the folder everything is in chronological order making that one pic you are looking for easy to find. numeric dates and verbal constructs: This natural order (not the European one) is used in China and Japan. Before the Revolution in France, in different Departements, people used to drive on different sides of the road. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. And I am the only one in our family whose birthdate can be misconstrued – the others are lucky enough to be past 12 in the month. The Design, Automation, and Test in Europe (DATE) Conference and Exhibition is an annual event, scheduled in 2020 to be held March 9–13, 2020, at the Alpexpo Congress Centre in Grenoble. Coronavirus disease (COVID-19), which is caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), was first identified in December 2019 in Wuhan, China, and has since spread rapidly, evolving into a full-blown pandemic. 10 December 2020 In view of the economic fallout from the resurgence of the pandemic, today the Governing Council recalibrated its monetary policy instruments as follows: First, the interest rate on the main refinancing operations and the interest rates on the marginal lending facility and the deposit facility will … Given that >90% of pre-1900 sword-armed road travellers were right-handed, they passed to the left of each other. European Data Protection Board. Also, there are many explanations for this. To be prudent, I always write dates dd mmm yyyy (eg 27 Oct 2012) to make sure there’s no confusion. I have seen this on many paintings/drawings in museums, and here’s a passage from the Roman numeral entry in wikipedia, “In Central Europe, Italy, Russia, and in Bulgarian, Croatian, Portuguese, Romanian, and Serbian languages, mixed Roman and Arabic numerals are used to record dates (usually on tombstones, but also elsewhere, such as in formal letters and official documents). Big OOps in Canada….. And never will. Choice of driving side is entirely arbitrary and a non sequitur. Remove all; Over 1/2 of the US can’t tell if a Celsius temperature is hot or cold. 911 in North America! In case American’s aren’t aware, ‘telegram age’ means 100 years old. I told him in kilos “How much is that in old money?” he asked. France did not. You can also change the month and date order if you mentioned the month in words. I will grant you though that the American style is only 1/2 logical. Perhaps thinking "When in Rome...," Barack Obama used European format when he signed the guestbook at Westminster Abbey. Caesar? If you're having trouble installing updates, see Troubleshoot problems updating Windows 10. I’m so paranoid about forgetting to renew the couple of domain names I care about that I’ve authorized my provider to bill my credit card automatically when they’re due to renew. There is only one correct way to write a date, year then month then day. Even though I live in the US the Euro & ISO formats are more logically organized. National current full format: "Ngày [d]d, tháng [m]m, năm yyyy" or ngày [d]d, tháng (month in textform), năm yyyy; short format: [d]d/m[m]/yyyy or [d]d-[m]m-yyyy; This page was last edited on 17 December 2020, at 02:34. In the early 19th century, those countries occupied by or allied to Napoleon – the Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain – adopted right-hand traffic. Respect des droits du travail conformes aux lois nationales des payset aux conventions de l’Organisation International du Travail (OIT). The euro going from the smaller fraction to the larger (day, month, year) and the ISO formatted inversely (year, month, day) It makes it easier to sort and organize records. Totally agree re Canada – . ( Log Out /  I still think cave-in of CTV to over the border format was NG. Languages. Dec, 15 2020 See More. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. The logical date part ordering and the metric system are objectively better than the alternatives even if you personally value tradition more than logic. The DART-Europe partners help to provide researchers with a single European Portal for the discovery of Electronic Theses and … Isn’t the main issue here the NUMERIC presentation? *DMY => DD.MM.YY DMY and MDY are used interchangeably. European Commission - Energy Policy Prix à la consommation des produits pétroliers droits et taxes compris Consumer prices of petroleum products inclusive of duties and taxes Verbraucherpreise für Mineralölerzeugnisse einschließlich Abgaben und Steuern Euro-super 95 (I) Gas oil automobile Automotive gas oil … I use the format …eg for today…09 IV 2012. When in Rome …do as the Romans do. Oracle Databases also default to 12-APR-2012, which is kinda interesting for an American country. Remember, this is 2016. I made a personal switch to the metric system when I was at a healthcare organization and all the physicians had to refer to different things as ##cm or ##mm for various sizes of lacerations or abnormal growths that are removed. Doc would stand there and be trying to convert in their head to inches! As a US Army vet and someone who often deals with outlanders, I often write the date dd-mmm-yy … 04 May 15. My wife just went on a first aid course and was told it’s now 112…… Get the latest European news from BBC News in Europe: headlines, features and analysis from BBC correspondents across the European Union, EU, and the rest of Europe. There is an order: some days are a month, some months are a year. One was done in Europe, and the other is from U.S. military people (who, unlike typical Americans, use Euro-style dates and 24-hour time). Con 10 días te alcanza para tres ciudades como máximo, tal vez 2 días en Madrid y el resto en París y Londres,al menos así visitarías tres ciudades maravillosas y relativamente cercanas By the way, I meant to add that measurement and accounting systems can be very different. Champions League Men. I know this is irrelevant but it felt really relevant. If they ping you in February for a March renewal you might suspect the date in the mail doesn’t indicate November. Monday Day, Year is another one that drove me nutz because the only was to sort data was to import it and then separate the date elements, move them to a hierarchal order Year Month day or day month year. But that’s just me… : – July the 4th (American Independence Day) 2012-09-04 is not ambiguous because there are no official standards that say YYYY-DD-MM. Then the patient would come in and ask how big is it. Quebec does that but two recent items from Feds have used (eg) oct 26, 2012. Okay, WordPress screwed me again. Dans les Europes - jour 10. Just out of curiosity, Methos, how much do you weigh in kilograms? Europe Blog notes, “The only countries that do not share the European date format in fact are the US, Philippines, Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, Canada and Belize.” And Europe Blog is slightly incorrect, having forgotten about Japan, which would write today’s date as 2015/09/08 (2015, September 08). I won’t comment on the Napoleonic origin. Huh? To me, the beauty of the European method is its progression of diminishing specificity with each increment of time: from day to month to year. *ISO => CCYY-MM-DD )", "BS ISO 8601:2004 – Data elements and interchange formats. Before posting and after some research to answer my own question, I deleted my second paragraph, but WordPress posted it anyway. Pingback: Good On Us | Not One-Off Britishisms. JOHN – but we live in a world now. *USA => MM/DD/CCYY, parenthetically, the default if nothing is specified is *ISO, additionally, if the suffix “0” (*ZERO) is added, there are no delimiters, my favoured choice would be *ISO, although many here would prefer *EUR. I often deal with computer dates so I also write yyyy-mm-dd … 2014-05-04. Mainland China invariably writes 2016/01/06 since the past 60 years. As with many things, Canada goes with the flow. (I learned that one quick!) The format with the slashes can be confusing (for day/months 12 and under) when you work for a US-based global company as you don’t quite know which format people are using so I prefer writing it in day, month, year format. And Americans are not about to switch to the metric system or drive on the other side of the road. Think about a lot of documents are the same way Year Month day or Day month year. U.S. Army Europe and Africa trains and leads the U.S. Army Forces in the European and African theater in support of U.S. European Command, U.S. African Command and the Department of the Army. 4/9/12 is ambiguous. Since you’re an academic, Mr. Yagoda, I’m kind of surprised your entry on date formats fails to note that historians who write in English, regardless of nation, have been using the 12 April 2012 format for quite some time. I don’t understand why 4/9/12 is ambiguous but 2012-09-04 isn’t. en . Hence, I’m exteremely skeptical of everything I receive these days about our current president.). The number of commas in an Indian balance sheet can drive you mad! dated 4th July 1776”, The site explains the notation this way: “According to the National Archives, ‘While no one knows for certain who wrote it, it is known that early in its life, the large parchment document was rolled up for storage. Principe 8 : Développement des compétences. One can go on and on: the US system is supremely ILLOGICAL. So today would be written as 2012.04.10. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. In October 2020 compared with September 2020, seasonally adjusted production in the construction sector increased by 0.5% in the euro area and by 0.9% in the EU, according to first estimates from Eurostat, the statistical office of the European … Unfortunately, he got the year wrong (it was 2011). This time zone is often called Central European Time. A friend cleared it up for me by mentioning the OTHER way of writing dates. However, I bet all the countries he once ruled now use the Euro numeric. “No, because it’s on the 7th of August. During the French Revolution, a decree of 1792 created a uniform traffic law, requiring traffic to keep to the “common” right. The United Kingdom … Save those keystrokes, and use them, if you do save, at the end of life to explain yourself, without typing. I weight 82kg and I am 1.78m tall. Writers have traditionally written abbreviated dates according to their local custom, creating all-numeric equivalents to dates … I gave up and adhere to the month/date/year style. Any thoughts? As a logician, I contend that the information presented is insufficient to prove that Barack Obama did not visit on 24 MAY 2008, as well as in 2011. Your comment about the ‘”9/11″ precedent’ intrigued me because it left me wondering whether you were aware of the significance of 911 in the U.S. (It’s the nationally recognized number to dial in an emergency. While I would be comfortable saying July 4th or 4th July, it still seems illogical in writing. We had a unified system of weights, measurement and distance. Thank you. News The CPG Lifetime Achievement Award 2020 recognises marvellous Montgomerie. Er…. For example, a news presenter will refer to the “July 7th” bombings, not the “7th of July” or “7th July” bombings. The EU General Data Protection Regulation went into effect on May 25, 2018, replacing the Data Protection Directive 95/46/EC. Taxes de canvi històriques de l'Euro en comparació amb divises d'Amèrica del Nord i del Sud a dia 10 de gener de 2020 (10/1/2020) This is probably counterintuitive to many Westerners, yet no one has ever accused the English language of being intuitive or easy to follow. The American and European methods are both brain dead. But who the hell came with MM/DD/YYYY? (Using dots (which denote ordinal numbering) as in d.m. I NEVER write 04/05/15 for May 4th! Concern is mounting in Europe as countries smash records for daily coronavirus cases and the World Health Organization warns that the daily … With respect to the European and American date formats — and 24-hour versus AM/PM clocks — appeals to logic are very much beside the point. BTW: I would guess far more than “over 1/2” of the US can’t tell if a Celsius temperature is hot or cold. I’m glad to give an explanation but I’m sure that people will object! Nephro Update Europe 2021 – Vienna – 10 – 11 September, 2021. VING INSURANCE BROKERS LTD DAN Building, Level 2-3, Sir Ugo Mifsud st, Ta' Xbiex, Malta. Especially, how do you sort dates on a computer when the date is embedded in a name or some other field that the computer doesn’t ‘know’ is a date? There are so many things that our conservative party refuses to consider to change. 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Left to right for computer sorting pure logic as greatest to least – so writing least to greatest makes perfect visual sense also. Il s’agit de (par ordre d'entrée et par ordre alphabétique) : Allemagne, Belgique, France, Italie, Luxembourg, Pays-Bas, Danemark, Irlande, Royaume-Uni, Grèce. While this clarification calms down my inclination to conspiracy theory I still see risks in research using the dd/mm/year when it comes to data. … December 25th (12/25); New Year’s Day? Personally, I love it. That we aren’t I don’t take to be a sign of some failing on the part of one nation or another. In Continental Europe, driving on the right is associated with France and Napoleon Bonaparte. We’re talking about a language in which the vowels of the virtually identical words dough, slough, and tough are all pronounced differently. I will urge others to do so ( especially if it irritates others) Why change it if it ain’t broke? Everything ends up in a computer eventually! View the profiles of people named Euro Date. Sorry. Unfortunately, it doesn’t look like it will change anytime soon. Skip navigation Sign in. Thank goodness with unknowing wisdom the powers that be elected 11/11 to be Remembrance Day. I THORT Canada followed UK format (dd-mm-yy) and was horrified this evening (11th october) to hear chortling news item on CTV about this date reading 10-11-12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The status quo exerts a powerful pull to be sure but at least the British are making an effort. So why this disgusting date format?! UEFA.com is the official site of UEFA, the Union of European Football Associations, and the governing body of football in Europe. I’m afraid I do find the Americans’ insistence on writing dates “the other way round” from the rest of the English-speaking world a bit irritating. I assume you’re being ironic in talking about anyone “electing” (or choosing) 11/11 as Remembrance Day?? Nobody would do this because everybody would say “there’s an order”! Long date with weekday: onsdag(,) den 21. december 1994. got them to use 6 april 2015. since it was a logical format and when it was imported to systems could be easily manipulated. If you write YYYY-MM-DD, that’s ok and ISO standard… Also: the 12 April 2012 format is routinely used by American genealogists when they write; I know because my sister happens to be one. dd/mm/yyyy is also in common use. However pre-war I believe the date would more commonly have been written in the UK as, July 7th, 1920 – for example. So please edit the post. There are no other meaningful arguments why one way is better than another except maybe “I’m used to it and I’m too lazy to change my crappy ways”. Dec, 16 2020 See More. Consulta el calendario de la Eurocup 2020/2021 Fase de Grupos Grupo A, horarios y resultados de Eurocup 2020/2021 en AS.com Remember, remember the fifth of November, Of course, I also add the Hebrew date b/c that’s the way I roll. (BTW my use of suspension points in e-writing derives from Whitman’s 1855 preface. I’ve preferred the European date format since I was an impressionable pre-teen. Dates and now side of the road? The ISO standard is also used in certain Northern European countries such as Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Iceland etc. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. National standard format is yyyy-mm-dd (with leading zeroes) and (yy)yy, Examples: Long date: 7. juni 1994. I only use purely numerical formats when the reader is not North American. It struck me (and my mirror) at the same time that we needed better road rules. And I wondered too if horses prefer to pass each other right to right side, thus on left side of road…in which case if wagons rode that way (for eons) why not cars? How can some NOOB contributors be so dumb? Website updates. Portal for open access research theses. But also remember that, thanks to India and other former colonies, as many people drive on the left as well as on the right. ISO is the better way. Try the Indian numerical system. I made it easier to explain and pt to understand. dd/mm/yyyy is also in common use. If 25% of the world population EXCLUSIVELY uses year/month/day, which happens to be the ISO standard, then concluding “most of the rest of the world” is a bit misleading. And oh yeah: where *did* we get our ridiculously complicated imperial measurement system? Russia has been the worst affected country in Europe with 2,653,928 confirmed cases, followed by France with 2,376,852 cases. My theory is that Americans use the same format as us but have 31 months, interleaved in a peculiar way. As for Fred, that’s nearly 300 years old and irrelevant. XBX 1431 As for driving on which side of the road, remember, please blame Napoleon! As a Brit living in the US, it took me a while to get used to giving my birthdate in the US form. Putting the most significant digits on the left means that everything will sort correctly. ( Log Out /  Have to just bite the bullet and do it. However, my personal style is to use decimals rather than slashes to separate the year, the month, and the day. I’ve just read this extraordinarily rude and ill-mannered reply. An example of DD-MM-YYYY usage is the passport application form. Like seeing the temp was 20c and putting on a heavy sweater and coat thinking it would be cold. Watch Queue Queue. Designed to increase data privacy for EU citizens, the regulation levies steep fines on organizations that don’t follow the law. I often get the year of my birth wrong, writing the current year by mistake. Dates are critical info and it IS confusing when they’re illogical, and used on key documents that cross borders. United States Army Europe and Africa official homepage. ( Log Out /  Most style guides follow the DMY convention by recommending d mmmm yyyy (sometimes written dd/mm/yyyy) format in articles (e.g. My family were all born in the UK, but my children were largely schooled in BC. This second update of the original document integrates the experience of maintaining safe and sufficient supply of substances of human origin (SoHO) gained in the course of the COVID-19 pandemic and through recent scientific developments in understanding the evolution of the disease. It is, in any case, getting more and more popular over here, as in this post from the web site Military.com: Ah, another holiday weekend approaches and I’m getting tons of mail asking “When will we get paid?”   Folks, payday is Tuesday, 15 November 2011.  You’ll get paid on Tuesday, or on Monday if your bank releases direct deposit pay funds early. Canada uses day/month/year. EMD Response 1 /32 ... Europe is currently characterised by a patchwork of bespoke national support mechanisms, both to We could all be speaking Esperanto, too. The only downside would be that blog posts such as this couldn’t be written and enjoyed. I doubt it would have been adopted as shorthand — of if it had been, adopted as readily — if it didn’t jive so nicely with the U.S.’s 911 emergency number. Article. “In the United Kingdom and, in fact, most of the rest of the world, today’s date would be indicated 9 April 2012…” -britishisms.wordpress.com. The most significant digits come first, not last! A little later, Napoleon consolidated this position by ordering the military to stay on the right side, even when out of the country, so that everyone who met the French army had to concede the way. Hence, when quoting dates, it is quite logical to use DD:MM:YYYY and when referring to time within the 24 hour period, it is quite logical to use HH:MM:SS. In Prussia there are many roads, Each man must find his own way.”. Making a habit of doing things the right way ALL the time means you will do it the right way when it counts. Frederick the Great’s comments on the Church of England apply an all cases. of Califor…. The usual EU compromise – standardisation across the EU, will supporting local history and cultures. Central European Time (CET) is 1 hour ahead of Coordinated Universal Time (UTC). Should ever be forgot. ” In England, there is but one road to heaven. When is Christmas? They were all taught to date their school work dd/mm/yyyy. New York Times outliers: “maths,” “trainers” and “mate”, http://www.usa.gov/Topics/Independence-Day.shtml, http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/scan.htm, Cách viết ngày tháng ở các nước khác nhau trên thế giới, “What we were able to provide our young men during an abbreviated season was a little bit of special”—U. This video is unavailable. But I think that may be based on the precedent of saying “September 11th” rather than “11th September”. Thanks for the check…. standard that the UK has now also adopted, although 999 still works. It still baffles me that the USA uses a non-scientific temperature measurement system from Germany. Change ). Member Associations ETTU Executive Board meeting on Saturday. I own a number of domains hosted by a large US domain seller, and have on several occasions come close to failing to renew these in time due to misunderstanding the renewal date – when I see on their site that a particular domain must be renewed by “3/11/2012″, I think I’ve got till 3rd November to sort it out! In the UK, anyone who reaches 100 years old gets a telegram from the queen. Yes, the Fourth of July is celebrates 2 days after Congress voted in favour of Independence from Great Britain. Japan sometimes write H28.1.6 (or slashes) to denote 2016/01/06 because Heisei is their current “era” and the first year of Heisei was in 1989. The American format is only truly logical if you say dates the American way. DART-Europe is a partnership of research libraries and library consortia who are working together to improve global access to European research theses. Dec, 18 2020 The logic shifts (and logically so) depending on what is most relevant in terms of our daily work. YYYY-MM-DD is always the meaning when year is first (The logic behind this format is to read from most signifficant to least signifficant). Though possibly I’m a cult of one in thinking so. realme is an emerging mobile phone brand which is committed to offering mobile phones with powerful performance, stylish design and sincere services. Just be forward thinking by writing the date the correct way in the first place! – September the 11th. 112 is the European (or is that international?) Today, the Ryder Cup is golf’s pre-eminent event, biennially bringing together 12-member teams from the U.S. and Europe for glory and pride on a three-day worldwide stage. Consider, for example, reports of three events that occur on January 20, April 15, and December 1 of 2012 (or any other year). How do you alphabetize things? Europe Reports Record-High 700,000 COVID-19 Cases Last Week, WHO Says : Coronavirus Updates Europe's cases surged by 36% compared with the prior week. How do you write numbers? The format dd.mm.yyyy using dots is the Hebrew format. So AMERICAN disaster of 911 would be written as 11/9/2001 or 11th September,2011 or even September 11th,2001. I came upon this topic after reading a covid-19 research paper referencing 07/02/2020 ….a future date according to my USA way of reading and writing dates. Europe Day held on 9 May every year celebrates peace and unity in Europe.